WINCHESTER MODEL 12 CARTRIDGE STOP

Question

Have a Win Model 12 that the primary cartridge stop is out of adjustment. When it’s locked up and you try to load it the cartridge stop is open so it won’t hold the shells. This is the first 12 I had to work on. I don’t have the Armorer’s course and there was nothing in the shotgun course. Can you point me in the right direction? Thanks Gregg

Answer

OK I am not being a smart ass when I ask this so please do not get offended. What is the primary cartridge stop? Bob really likes it when I make you guys think. OK enough of that, what do the shells do that indicate to you the primary cartridge stop is out of adjustment? I will tell you that the primary cartridge stop is two different parts and they both do and are known for other things. Let me know what the shells are doing and how the gun is malfunctioning. Ken

Reply:

OK, I can’t load the gun. When I push the shell in the mag tube it comes right back out at you. The cartridge stop won’t hold the shell. If I cycle the gun slow I can see the cartridge stop move over so then it would stop the shell in the mag tube. When the gun is locked up the cartridge stop is over toward the receiver. So it’s the cartridge stop on the left side when you hold the gun in shooting position. Hope this helps. Seems like it is just out of adjustment. Thanks again Gregg

Answer:

Is this a Model 12 or a Model 1200??????? The model 12 uses the bottom of the bolt and the carrier as the primary cartridge stop. If you have a model 1200 then the cartridge stops are on the trigger group.

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12 the older one. I see the cartridge stop on the bottom of the bolt. It must just be wore down so it won’t stop the shell. Can this be built up with TIG or gas and refitted? Or will the bolt have to be re-heat treated? I remember no welding on receivers. Or should I see if I can find a bolt? Sorry about the brain fade, I was looking at the cartridge stop on the side of the receiver and just was so sure it wasn’t working. Thanks again

Answer:

No worry we all have brain freeze. Anyway is the shell coming over the cartridge stop and ALL the way onto the carrier? If yes, then you can TIG weld this up and refit it. Weld slow so you don’t heat it too much, and when you are dressing it down to fit it go slow as well. Glad we got this figured out.

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Thanks Ken, I think we got her now.